Best Idea of the week, months and year

I forgot the subject.

Is it possible for PP admin to place the subject.

Best Idea of the week, months and year.

Regards,

charlie

I think you are the postee of the subject and as such if you forgot it you deserve the worst punishment in the world, ie let/s have some suggestions. Any planner who forgets should be fired.

Hi Philip,

Nice to hear from you.

I agree with your suggestion.

Sometimes this happen: the mind is faster than the hand or the hand is faster than the mind.

In planning, it could be both.

cheers,

charlie

No competition in respect of best thread of week or month.

Its public Forum so share your knowledge at your best for the benefits of all PP members

Each posting already reflects the extent of your knowledge so no top or down just carry on.

Hi,
Actually this idea is very good, to attract new members, and to show the post is valueable and the idea how we interact among PPers to resolve and come out with solution.

Hi Raja

New members have already been attracted to this site as they learn P3 course or equivalent planning course (refer Planning members list of any country) and happy to become member of this forum.

So such things does not impressive or attractive. We should establish more specific threads on planning issues to expand its circulation.

shahzad, yes i can see the numbers of members quiet impress, but not for long, what i mean here PP needs to attract PPers for long term to contribute and use PP like using contract/dictionary without bored looking for info. Most of the neww PPers Just come and go like that, after they have what they wanted,The Question is How we going attract new PPers to be like You, Bill, Philip Charles, Vladimir, Alex (the most name i can remember) ?

Hello Raja, Hello Shazad,

There will be no competition for best idea of the week, month or year.

The idea is to develop interest by acknowlegement of the best idea. The voting is more on each member acknowledgment of the best idea because it help him or her in career development, enlightenment on the ways and methodology of planning, etc.

It is also to show gratitude to the expert that offer their opinion, ideas etc, for free.

Charlie

Hi Charles
Just an idea lah, let say If there is a competition, why not? Just try to find sponsor like Gary France from PEO(or other company), I think he intrested to find calibre planner and try to find best idea of "THE MAking of BEST SCHEDULE". Using SPIDER, P3 /e /c , MSP, Artemis, etc

Most commercial forum software allows members to rate threads so that members can see how the community feels about them. Perhaps the PP could implement something like this.

Also, most commercial forum software allows moderators/administrators to "sticky" important threads so that they always appear at the top of the list of topics/threads.

Stacy
Participate in the Project Management Knowledge Base!

Hi People,

I’m with Shahzad on this one. The strength of PP is that its members share knowledge with each other without thought of reward. Simply to help other planners get better at what they do. I believe that linking to some sort of "prize" for doing this would tend to make people forget the reason that Planning Planet exists, to share information and to help solve problems.

There is a risk that some form of reward could jeopardise the freedom with which the members give of their time and knowledge. By all means introduce some sort of rating system on the various threads if it is thought that this could be useful; but let’s not lose sight of why PP was set up, to share information and knowledge without thought of personal gain.

Chris Oggham

Hello Chris,

I share your idea. And this is only one school of thinking.

Another thinking maybe "Competition brings out the best, for PP members also to be the best ever".

Some members who share ideas in PP dont need rewards. Maybe they only want to be recognize in their effort and how it helps others improve their planning skills and their whole life as a whole.

And others really needs the rewards.

The point is we are exploring ways on how to bring out the best from each members of PP.

We do need guidelines on how to work this out to have a fair playing field.

Cheers,

Charlie

Hi,
I think charles gave a good explaination, as for me if u dont break the shell, how do you know the contents look like, and how you break this shell is up to you, and the purposes to do competition is not for rewards, its about how u exposes your best idea in planning to be acceptable by others members which from diferent countries, company but if there is a rewards , what we going to loose...it is bonus. Maybe some of us can continue study o get PMP Cert, P3e / c courses or buy P3e / c software, vacation etc

Hi Guys,

An interesting topic. Explain line of balance clearly and concicely, it’s uses, and the disciplines it applies to?????????

Regards

Philip

Hi Philip,
nice to hear from you, where have u been... Seemslike u very busy with your wine plant....ha ha. Actually , coincidence see your name in wine making website. Is it true You?
Hi Guys,
Its never better to find, where we are after few years involved in project, thats why on my post thread i focus on how to find out capability and expertise, is achieve target or not?. Any Idea.....

Hi Philip,

Your really a planner. You did mention "line of balance", wow

It is wow because i did not think of it.

One extreme is to eliminate a vote to the effect " THE BEST IDEA OF THE WEEK IS THE THREAD I POSTED blah blah blah" . This will invite 11,000 ++ boo, boo from PP.

Generally, as engineers we did experience being a sportsman. So it is only natural for us to compete. Hopefully competition will bring out the best ever, only In My Humbe Opinion, (IMHO).

PP miss you Philip, including your threads.

Cheers,

Charlie

Hello,

AND THE BEST IDEA OF THE WEEK ...

It is still very hard to vote because no rules extablish.

for example what constitue a week.

In this part of the world the week start on Saturday to Thursday while in other parts of the world the week start on Monday to Sunday.

A little compromise is good for PP.

Cheers,

Charlie

Any helping hand to put subject...please

Hi charles,
no response from PP admin to gave a reply...its seems wasted selling idea for free...

Hi Raja,

We will just accept whatever happen to our idea for free.

As we all aware PP is run by volunteers, These volunter also have work for their family to live.

Why can’t we make PP commercially viable. How about a new thread on how to make PP commercially viable. This is only sharing idea. The bottomline is "how PP can afford to hire full time people with monthly salary of 5000 USD per month. What do you think.

Just an idea or a dream, IMHO.

Charlie

Hi Charlie,

Ideas and dreams are fine, but I don’t understand why you want to change the whole basis of Planning Planet. When it was set up, the whole idea of PP was to provide a forum where Project Planners could ask questions, discuss problems and share their knowledge and experience for free.

If PP was to commercialise, then it would have to compete against the thousands of established organisations who already offer Project Planning consultancy and advice. Beacause it was not set up initially on a commercial basis, PP would be at a distinct disadvantage, and the chances are it would fail within six to twelve months, leaving Project Planners worldwide without a valuable resource.

You’re obviously a switched-on guy, so if you think a forum like PP could be marketable and commercially viable, why not set one up yourself? I’m sure that there are PP members who would be more than happy to help you get started.

As for Planning Planet itself, I think perhaps you should consider two things:
1) The words of Bert Lance - "If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it."
2) The fact that Planning Planet ain’t broke.

Chris Oggham

Hi Chris,
the idea is we have to accept changes, Everything in this world "change". we dont have to wait until broke, then we going to do somthing. Even yahoo website, software also they always upgrade with remarkable ideas to go parallel with the age. Just that... on other part to upgade and changes they also needs some money. Just think about that...... Is there anything for FREE?

Hi Raja,

You’re quite right when you say that we have to accept change, but we should not necessarily change something just because we can. There have to be sound reasons for change, and even then sometimes change must be deferred or even refused if there are dis-benefits generated by it.

You ask is there anything free - yes, Planning Planet.

Chris Oggham

Dear Planners,

Please allow me to share my humble view (for FREE)with regards to Planning as a part of, or as a way of life.

Planning might be classified into three (3) categories as follows:

1. Engineering Planning - This is what we may call formal planning as it needs some technical expertise & some kind of sophistication. This is where we use the so-called Planning software (whatever it is).

2. Practical Planning - Experience might be the foundation of this category, but this is a fundamental part of the above (1) & our daily activities as a living component of this planet.

3. Family Planning - This one is self explanatory, but for those who aimed to make the 1st category as his/her bread & butter, I suggest you start to learn from this 3rd one. This is the basic.

cheers...

p.s. the above was a product of a thorough examination of the bars (not blinded by science)...

Hello Chris,

Refer to your Post # 21.

Please take note of the main thread "IMPROVING PLANNING PLANET WEBSITE"

Your idea as per post #21 has no basis since to improve is to change. Improving Planning Planet Website means Planning Planet will change.

The worst will happen in the event Planning Planet will maintain the status quo. To attain improvement is to change for the best.

Cheers,
Charlie

Hi Charlie,

You’ve really missed the point, I’m afraid. Of course in order to improve things have to change, but not all change means improvement. The changes you have suggested would not, I believe, improve Planning Planet as, instead of trying to help each other, members would be concentrating on securing rewards.

You say my post #21 has no basis; sorry Charlie, but when someone disagrees with you you can’t just dismiss them out of hand. Which part of post #21 has no basis and why? It’s by the rational exchange of ideas that change for improvement is achieved. Silly admonitions to "Please take note of the main thread" do not contribute anything useful, nor will repeating trite generalisations.

You have an idea for improving Planning Planet. OK, now justify why that idea should be adopted, counter differing points of view, show the benefits that would accrue. Show also how any dis-benefits could be mitigated. Until you can do that with sound facts and reasoned arguments you won’t get anywhere.

Chris Oggham

Hello Chris,

Please focus on the meaning as stated in the English language and you will be able to contribute bright idea on how to "Improve Planning Planet Website".

There is no point in shooting down ideas for free when you can not offer alternatives ideas that shall also be free. Your approach will not work.

This is reactive planning.

You have to understand that we are all busy making a living for our family. To expound an idea in one go is not practical.

To instill a climate of negativism will lead us to nowhere.

This is free idea, just relax, be calm and let your imagination run wild. Whatever idea that comes your mind, post it in PP, in this particular thread. I believe you will come up with bright idea on how to IMPROVE PLANING PLANNET, maybe the brightest.

We in PP can only hope it will be for free.

Regards,

Charlie

Hi Charlie,

First of all, a question. Do you thoroughly read the replies that people make to your posts? I suspect not, because if you did you would not accuse me of trying to shoot down your idea. I’m not doing that, what I’m trying to do is get you to tell us why your idea should be adopted. Even with your latest post you haven’t done this, all you do is try to dismiss any point of view that does not agree with your own. This really isn’t acceptable.

If you can give the reasons why your idea should be adopted, then please do so. As you stated we’re all busy making a living to support our families, so take your own advice and focus, stop the platitudes and trite remarks, make your case and stop wasting resource.

Chris Oggham

Hi Chris,
U also right but this is the best way to get more information and knowledge(from diffrent country, type of project etc) , by finding which post is much value and can be implement it can build our open mind with creativity ideas. Free is good but is it very valuable to the members, is the post thread can be use? or just a trash.

Ps. Not for arguing..just for discusion thread... Sorry i dont know to fight back in english... so better i tell the truth. Ha Ha ...Still learnng from U guys to Learn the communication skill.

Hi Guys,

It seems that the bars are affecting you too much. That’s not good in Planning. Sobriety is one of the essences of planning. And planning has only one direction, although it has a lot of blending to consider, it will only summarize to one objective...besides, I only knew one person who can do that (I think you also knew him).

By the way, what do you really want here? No Subject Specified...? And you wanted some changes...Why? Are you not happy with what you got right now? Well, that’s instinct, but that’s different from planning. Planning can only be effective if it is controlled...& do you know who’s controlling the so-called Control?..."Decisiveness"...& who do you think can only do that? If you got some religion then, you got to believe...and do you think all of you here got the same belief?

Everything in this f...n wild world differs. Just like your fingers & the prints on it (just like projects)...That’s why planning is endless...unlike steel, there’s always an end & a parallel...& what do you think is suppose to be parallel with planning?...Science?...

Well, it’s now time for some reflections...


have a good time...

Hi PPs

I like to share my views as well.

I spend approx. 2 hrs per day browsing the PP site typing a message, look at forum postings. My point is the best reward that I find in PP is the knowledge base and I find my 2 hrs is well spent. By having reading and writing message, I learn new things everyday.

And what I like about PP is It does not have any Ad, Sponsors or any money value attach to the site. That make the site more .... "Genuine" to me.

I visit some of the commercial site where it is a very different environments, attract members, advertisement, competitions, luck draw ... and when you see some of its posting you will find the sprit is very different, and the quality of message as well. In here you will see some very long post, especially in the Claims area. Why PPs spend so much time helping each other? and What benefits we can get??

IMHO I think this is what makes Planning Planet differ from others.

Cheers

Alex

Hello to all,

I think we drifted from the main thread. The thread is about "improving planning planet website". Post 1 is about "best idea of the week ..." then the sidekick is about commercialization of PP.

This is what i notice in PP, jumping from one idea to another idea in threads. While this is a hallmark of vibrant forum and social discussion, it is preferable to focus on one subject at a time.

so.....

THE BEST IDEA OF THE WEEK ...

We need to agree on a criteria. I may suggest that the criteria on the best idea of the week is that idea that help improve the voting planner. In this way no one will question his or her choice since that is how the voting planner perceive that the idea help him or her.

Cheers,

charlie

Alex,

You summed it up brilliantly and I completely agree with you.

Chris Oggham

Hello to Alex and Chris,

If you look back on the basis of my wild idea or dream regarding commercialization of PP, the only reason I gave is to have full time staff (with monthly salary of USD 5,000.00) instead of volunters.

Is it not reasonable to pay full time staff instead of volunters.

PP is growing and it needs to address its relevance to all members, relevance today, tommorow, ten years from now.

Do you think the present set-up will stand the test of time. There maybe none visible defects that needs to be fix at the present, but there could be latent structural defects with the present set-up.

The meaning of this thread is "Improving Planning Planet Website". It was PP founders wisdom to create this thread because of the nescesity to Improve thru changes for the best.

Any idea from you guys, then, post it. PP NEEDS YOU TO POST YOUR BRIGHT IDEAS.

Cheers,

Charlie

Charlie,

I really do think you have missed the point. The reason Planning Planet is so successful is because people want to be part of it. That’s why people volunteer to work on the site, to act as Moderators and keep the site functioning.

If Planning Planet were to commercialise, it might be necessary to charge a fee for membership, this would cause a lot of people to think twice about becoming members. One of PP’s great attractions is that it is free.

In his post #31, Alex pointed out the differences between PP and certain commercial sites, structured along the lines you have suggested. Lots of advertisements, competitions and so forth and an inferior quality in the standard of the posts.

Please remember that the primary purpose of commercial organisations is to make money, while the primary purpose of Planning Planet is to help Project planning Professionals get better at what they do.

Chris Oggham

Hmmm...

I’m not sure if I’ll be joining PP if here will be a membership fee.

Well, maybe... if my company will sponsor me. :-)

(How about you, guys?)


Cheers,
Sen

Hi all,
Actually i like with this post thread and I agreed with Charles post, but its seems the topic already divert from origin topic.

I would like suggest to PP to make a tile/split form which we can see the question and answer at the same time.

Example.
I want to answer for post#37 and i have to look at Post#7 for the question, its seems difficult to answer and to look another page.

There are lots of discussion forums/sites available on the internet that offer free membership/participation. I know of several that are supported by different means:

• by advertising: eng-tips.com, softwareprojects.org, pminsight.org.uk, projectsmart.co.uk
• by a parent company/organization: allpm.com (IIL), pmicos.org (PMI)
• by owner’s pocket: planningplanet.com, pmkb.com

Every web site on the internet has to pay for domain registration (a pittance) and server resources (bandwidth/storage). At some point, mature forums become expensive to run. I for one do not mind seeing advertising (unobtrusive and tastefully done) on a web site if it helps ensure that a good resource will remain available and free for use.

Stacy
Participate in the Project Management Knowledge Base!

Hello to All,

For the record, i did not hint of membership fee.

I’m out the moment PP will start charging membership fee.

I like PP because its free and also, a lot of other reason that may be revealed someday.

There must be a solution on how PP can have a full time staff.

Cheers,

Charlie

Chris

Charlie missing the point

I DONT BElIEVE IT

WALTER MELDREW

AKA Oscar

Oscar, you crack me up, but I think you may mean Victor Meldrew.

Good one.

Gary

Dear Gary
Under the planning forum rules im not allowed to use real names am I ????

Charleston

Fare play, it was an idea, and at least you have sparked some discussion. Setting up and maintaining a web site and especially a forum, is simple but not easy.
Why not have a try yourself? Let us know how you progress with it all, seriously. I for one would love a job that I do remotely and get well paid for (No scrap that, I for one would love a job doing very little and get paid for).

On the other hand, would the world stop if the PPlanet stopped. It is a fantastic resourse for us all. Commercialisation has a way of taking a little away ever day from "Good Resources", in my humble opinion.

And before you ask, yes I/We have a web site (without a chat forum). But we do take email & respond, it is free to register & simple to access. We don’t charge, so we don’t mind if people come and go at their own leisure.

Alldabest,
Darrell

ps. Have no idea at present on how better to improve this resource.

Not sure if this is the right place to post this but.................


If you are in the UK, ComputerActive magazine is giving away a free mousemat which has all the MS shortcuts listed, such as ctrl+c for copy etc.

13th - 26th October edition, only £1.40.

Just thought I’d share as I find it kinda cool.

PS: Yes - I am a nerd, I like Star Trek and everything :-)

Andy
What colour is your anorak
Surely u can remember these common key strokes do you really look at the mouse mat
??????
Shocked

Honest there are dozens of them:

ctrl+shift+K

Gives you mini capital letters.

I’ll get me coat.............

Hi Raja,

It is not me in the wine making website, but a distant relation. If you are are interested, send me your address, and I will organise you a bottle, it is very good wine, and fairly scarce.

Regards

Philip

Hi Andy,
This is no joke, I think you should have ID 007, and become the PP website expert on shortcuts.

Regards

Philip

Hello to All,

I read Philip Jonker Reply #42 in the Main Thread Planning and Programming Training, with sub thread How Detailed Should a Programme be ...?

In my opinion, Philip summarize the essence of "PLANNER UMNO UNIVERSALE" The Universal Planner.

Not all planner will attain the essence of PLANNER UNMO UNIVERSALE. This is a quest for all specially to the young planners out there. For the young once, all is not yet lost.

The acid test for a Planner Unmo Universale revolve in a multi-national and multi-cultural environment.

I wanted to open a new thread "THE QUEST FOR PLANNER UNMO UNIVERSALE. Basically, the thread will share real life experience as planner with emphasis in the barriers to the attainment of PLANNER UNMO UNIVERSALE including How to overcome the barriers.

Cheers,

Charlie

Again,

Hello To All,

It is now 01 February 2006, 11:00 AM, and so

The month of January 2006 past

And I recommend the best idea of the Month: January 2006 is Mr. Philip Jonker reply # 42.

My wholehearted congratulation to Philip. May you continue to share the essence of planning unselfishly that comes deep in your heart as we move on to "IMPROVE PLANNING PLANET".

Cheers to all, PP

Clive,

All day rates being equal, you (figuratively speaking of course) would have no problem dragging me back to the stove!
A welcome break.

Know why Lady planners have the edge on others?

We are used to juggling more than two balls at a time.