The Road to Recognition

The original post was:
"...A 20 minute discussion ensued where more questions than answers appeared to be raised. At the end of the debate, just about everyone agreed that a Discussion Forum Group be setup whereby the PP community could discuss the issues at hand.

Issues raised and discussed were such as....

(1) Do we need to be recognised / certified / accredited or graded?

(2) Do we need a professional body such as APM or PMI to do this, or should, or could we, organise and accredit ourselves?

(3) Irrespective of how such certification or accreditation is carried out, what Core Competences / Skills should be recognised and how could we grade such skills?

(4) How can we assure the market / employers that such accreditation is unbiased and indeed accurate?

The PP Team hope that this is the beginning of something new and exciting for us planners!!
"

Hence if it’s OK with everyone I’ll start 4 threads on these 4 questions.

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE ROAD.

WASH OUT BY FLASH FLOOD.

IT IS ALREADY 6 SIX DAYS FROM NEW YEAR AND WE DONT HAVE ANY FRESH IDEAS FOR 2009.

Cheers,
Happy Planning and Scheduling

Charlie,

Stop shouting.

If you’re so keen on fresh ideas for 2009 why don’t you provide some.

Chris Oggham

Hello Chris,

You conclusion that I’m shouting is borne by your misconception.

If I print in capital letter, then, you conclude that I’m shouting.

WHAT IS THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CAPITAL LETTERS AND SHOUTING.

DID YOU HEAR ME SHOUTING WHEN I USED CAPITAL LETTERS. Is this the way english writing are to be interpreted. My teacher in English did not tell me that writing in capital letters is tantamount to shouting.

or as my favorite thesis which i really hate to use now in 2009 but force me to use: IS THIS THE INTERPRETATION for idiotic xxxxxx ENGLISH yyyyyyy ???? The pretenders masters in the use of the english language.

Please enlighthen the PP community.

Cheers,
Happy Planning and Scheduling

Charlie...

I am forced to respond because you are a f***** IDIOT (I guess that is something similar to what you refer to as xxxxxx ENGLISH yyyyyyy). Your ignorance about everything is beyond redemption.

Before shouting off your mouth why not take a look at, say, Wikipedia:

Internet
This form of typography also appears in on-line forums. It was once an inevitable byproduct of using machines with limited support for lowercase text (such as certain dumb terminals, early Apple II models), but as full support of ASCII became standard, it became solely identified with "shouting" or attention-seeking behaviour. As a result, netiquette generally discourages the use of all caps.

As far as I know Wikipedia was born in the USA and is not purely English. That chip on your shoulder must be really wearing you down.

B******s to you... you really are a nasty racist...

Any offence absolutely intended.

David

Hi Charleston

The convention in internet chatrooms and blogs is that CAPITAL LETTERS indicate a raised voice.

A complete message in CAPITALS indicates shouting and is mostly discouraged.

I know that you can put points across fluently and cogently when you want to - so why not keep to that format.

Best regards

Mike Testro

"Why Are Capital Letters Difficult?

Why are words written in capitals more difficult to read than words in small letters? There are two basic reasons:

Firstly, at least for native English speakers, children usually learn to read and write small letters before capital letters.


Secondly, and more importantly, words written in capital letters have no "shape". Words with small letters go up and down. Some small letters have "ascenders" (like the letter b). They go up. Some small letters have "descenders" (like the letter p). They go down. Some small letters have no ascender or descender. They stay in the middle. So small letters vary in height. But all capital letters are the same height (BP).

When we read text, especially when we read fast, we do not read each individual letter. Instead, we read whole words and phrases. And we recognize these words and phrases partly by their shape."

Maybe you should have a word with your English teacher Charlie, he/she does not sound too good. Or, more likley, some of his/her students were so thick and stupid that they could not grasp the need for clarity in written communication.

Mike,

I profess my innocence. But as the saying goes, ignorance of the law exempt no one. Am I going to be executed or terminated?

Now that I’m enligthen so

I will abide with the norm in our forum.

I will not use complete capital letters to send my message accross.

Cheers,
Happy Planning and Scheduling

Hey You Two

Read the forum rules - especially Rule 2:

Keep conversations civil. This is a professional forum. Flaming, taunting, name calling, abusive language and derisive / condescending posts will not be tolerated.

Stop it both of NOW.

Best regards

Mike Testro

Mike

I totally agree with you.

But tell me this, if you continually poke a dog with a sharp stick would you be surprised if it suddenly bit you?

I am afraid I have complained to the moderators on more than one occasion about Charlie’s racist and offensive behaviour and still he is allowed to poke me with a sharp stick.

I am proud of my country (although our recent governments are trying my patience), I love the richness of our language. I find it difficult to stand by, ’all that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing…’ and let some moron besmirch my country and language.

Love and peace (until the next time)...

David

Mike,

You said of Charlie - I know that you can put points across fluently and cogently when you want to - so why not keep to that format. If you have read enough of his posts to draw that conclusion, you should also be aware that he is capable of a vindictive, spiteful, nastiness and a virulent, bigoted, intolerance which can be absolutely breathtaking.

Having been the subject of a number of Charlie’s offensive diatribes I’m afraid I’m with David on this one.

No doubt you will have noticed that, despite having had to admit he was wrong, there is no hint of apology or contrition. Just a snide enquiry as to whether he will be executed, what so many of us have come to regard as typical Charlie.

Chris Oggham

Being new to all this in this typical forum, why cant we all be civilised about this, even in the present climate, When someone starts to offend people on here why do people react in a way that we all get to read about it.

Lets make this a full debate on the way forward and not be picky on critisism.

we are all professional adults and need to act in a manner that needs to show our professionalism.

Hi Chris - Hi David

I have read most of Charleston’s threads and I recently had to slap him down when he was really nasty to Carmen.

Then again we had a good debate last year on Who Owns the Float. Andrew Flowerdew finally adjudicated on my side.

He can be a bit of a "Stick Poker" but we should not react with canine instinct. The way to get him into line is to politely tell him where he is wrong but not ignore him.

As a last resort I suppose we could all join up and vote him off the site but lets see if he has learnt anything from this last episode.

Best regards

Mike Testro

Mike,

In an ideal world, of course, you are quite right, a polite admonition that his behaviour is not acceptable would be all that was needed. Unfortunately this is not an ideal world and with Charlie polite admonitions are ignored. His arrogance is such that he truly believes that he can say and do no wrong, something which I have no doubt is apparent to you as you have read most of his posts.

You said yourself that you had to slap him down when he was particularly unpleasant to Carmen. Unfortunately even this seems to register for only a limited period, so the only remedy is to react as David described when he becomes particularly obnoxious.

As for voting him off, yes, we could do that, but the ease with which a mail account can be opened under a different name really make that pretty much a waste of time. The only recourse seems to be to treat his excusions into xenophobia, homophobia, racial discrimination harshly to show that they have no place on this forum. Hopefully this will eventually get through to him.

Chris Oggham

Hi Chris

Lets se how things develope.

Meanwhile I am starting a new thread on Planning Qualification and Recognition so that we can get back to the main issue.

Best regards

Mike Testro

I second your motion Mike.

We do need to move on.

Cheers,
Happy Planning and Scheduling

Hi Charleston

Go to the new thread Accreditation Based on Experience.

Best regards

Mike Testro

Thanks for finishing this thread "The Road to a shame"

Cheers,

It is


"A Long and Winding Road".


Cheers,
Happy Planning and Scheduling