Programme Logic Vs Site Teams thinking

dear shiva,

base on my experience and my opinion :
1. the schedule itsself to be build to meet the target in certain time frame.
2. to meet the cost and budget being budgeted for the project.
3. to meet client requirement and contractors requirement
base on the contract

so we try to minimize mistake in our schedule from re doing the works so many times, but to meet success for the company, for future project....what i can say we have to do it, to meet the three no. i have stated.
no company...no project...no jobs...cheer up

Hi Shiva,
Since u r doing hotel planning,I just want to know to what level u did the schedule

Did u plan the activities like M & E Sevices etc Floor wise ,Zone wise or u did room wise

Did u keep same trade activities independently in each floor or did u link them up for crew movement

Hi,

It’s better to change your schedule after discussion with constrution team. if they do their work based on their own schedule, it will be difficult for you to update/status your schedule,and your work will be useless.

You can discuss the new schedule with client, let them re-approve it.

It’s better to have a high level schedule (not too much details) as contractual schedule

Hi Kumar,
Thanks for ur reply
Yes My schedule is Zonwise/floorwise/areawise, like Public Area, Rooms etc. It also seperates RCC , envelope, MEP and Interior. It is very detail schedule with 4500 Acts. Also the trades are liked floor to floor for crew movement.

It is very difficult to update it and I am realy confused wheather the Contractual Schedule should be in such detai. As Ziyang said, I think the contractual schedule should be limited to Level-3, thats only Zone and floor wise.
What u Say??

Shiva

Shivaji,

I suggest you keep the End mile stones as it is. Reschedule the activities in agreement with your site team. Agree with your client / consultant Engineer and make a resubmission.

P.S. More detailed your programme better for tracking and highlighting areas of slippages...


Cheers
Sunil

Hi,

You need to review the contractual aspect in managing changes in approve contractual schedule. You also need to feel the norms of the project team regarding updating of approved construction schedule.

As a general rule, the updated (current) approved contractual schedule shall reflect the current work that the project team envisioned to do and will do after due consideration of all information prior to data date.

In the event of changes to original scope of works whose impact cannot be reasonably assessed or series of information including instructions that continually inhibit the start of activities as originally planed, the original logic (not site logic) shall prevail.

Shivaji,

Has anyone costed the teams new ideas? Bottom line is money - your tender was based on the original schedule. The team will often choose the easiest and not always the most cost efficient way of building the job.

Change and resubmit the programme, but if they are your own teams ideas, cost the changes first and then decide.

Hi
I do not think that Programme Logic is fixed from beginning to end, neither is duration of activities. This is because there are design changes forced on the the project by the client or any onre of many such as recourses, finiance, budget, political, new machinery and methods.
You must however always come to a consensus with the Site Team because you are asking them to make it happen on site. I always try to get them to buy into the logic and plan that I have mapped out as I know that I have made consideration for the overall programme requirements and that the project milestones have been met. The danger with some site thinking is that they always want to do it in the way they have always done it before without opening their minds to anything innovative. Another danger is that they may only look at those aspects that they are specialist in and if because of they dominance in the team may make the other aspects of the project more at risk of not achieving their milestones. Best to plan and agree for the project as a whole, but I agree it is not very easy.
Regards
Daya

Haliho,
According to my experience the requirement for "big" scope, schedule, target change is always there. Most project get minimum 2 "new" target after the contract schedule. My professional record was 9 serious overhouls during a 2 year project. Use your common sense and cover your behind (the original saying mentiones other part of your body) with papers from everybody.
Good Luck
Katalin

hi,

We have encountered the same problem mainly in our finishes activities, what we did is we created an internal programme and set a meeting with our construction team & all the sub-contractors concerned. After some brainstorming, we finalized that programme which suits to all of us.Its just a simple excel sheet with just start and finish date for every activity (level-wise). Just make sure that you will still achieve your milestone dates in your original programme. Right now we are following that internal programme. I think unless the original submitted baseline programme has a totally diffent logic than what is happening at site, it should not be revised.

Hello,
Generally with client you will be bound by Lev-2 dates and further adjustment in Lev-3/4 Sch, client should not have objections.

The schedule should be dynamic & reflect the current status of project. All the necessary revisions in drawings should be reflected.

Ofcourse, we should monitor at each stage, the revisions impact in cost.

Ive never had a programme approved

Hi shiva Jee!

Contractual plan should not be in so much detail. Its very time taking job to revise the plan.Atleast all BOQ items should be there in plan and thats it.

Plan can be revised with both parties agreement, when targets looks unacheivalbe. I think Sir, you should avoid so much detail for contractual plan.

Regards,

Shahab