Importance of 4D/5D analysis in Planning Engineeri

Dear D Artagnan,

The integrated design process and BIM is the next step in updating the design process. The 4D is currently used from constructability studies.

I have seen it, but I did not use it yet. The point to remembers is that all the team members have to be part of the BIM, so you need at least one person from each discipline.

I have read articles pro and against BIM. IMHO, we need few more years before we see the cost going down, training is more available and knowledge shared more.

Since the Contractor is part of the Integrated Project Delivery team, I think that we might reach a stage in the future where the Planner will be at the design stage and the Schedule "Design Schedule" will be part of the Contract Documents prepared by the client, since constructability is already defined by the Contractor at the desing stage.

With kind regards,

Samer

Hi Samer,

Learning the process is easier than I thought. I had learned it in less than 3 days however it took me more than 2 weeks to make the 3D model of the structure. However, I just introduced it to my team and for some presentation purposes I had to do for the team. I have also used it to present the comparison (3D animation) for the delay analysis comparing the planned against the as-built. It was good. It’s also a good tool to explain the sequence of works to the site engineers and construction guys. Navisworks seamlessly worked with P6 I learned however it requires a powerful computer.

My predicament right now is the integration of MEP and Finishes and steel structure. I tried to incorporate our steel structure but it keeps on crashing, I know it’s because the model required a lot of memory and processor .

I agree with you that everyone has to be part of the BIM (at least, involved) and that’s my problem in our team right now, no one is willing to learn but just to get the final output. I do the CAD, I do the P6, I do the rendering...thus it’s tedious on my side. I just learned it for the heck of it and the application in construction.

I am still curious how companies are willing to invest in this relatively new way of analysis.

I can say it will be big in the next few years and also the 5D analysis.

Cheers!

Hi Gents

The BIM revolution is really taking off.

Have you evaluated Synchro yet ? www.synchroltd.com


I am looking to make 4D & 5D modules part of the accreditation process plan for PP members.

Regards

Matthew Edwards
PP Accreditation Manager

Dear Matthew,

It might be good to mention it, but I am not sure that the majority of PP know it. It is relatively new and expensive.

Maybe a certain sector will need to use it, especially the people looking to certify their buildings according to LEED standards.

With kind regards,

Samer

hi Mat, it’s good to know that.

I have not evaluated Synchro yet. I am getting errors downloading the trial version. I would like to try it though. So far I have only tried Navisworks.

Can you elaborate the accreditation process for 4D/5D analysis?

Hi D Artagnan

The accreditation process will take into account BIM - 4d & 5d.

I will elaborate further soon.

If you are having issues downloading, please speak to Tom Fry in Synchro - his number is 00442476940240

Hope this helps

Regards

Matthew Edwards
PP Accreditation Manager

Matthew,

What about those of us who believe a PP Acreditation is worthless, or not needed, kind of a futile exercise? Are we going to be banned from PP just because this is another of hundreds or thousands accreditation inventions? Is it on the PP agenda to favor access to the discussion to those with their accreditation?

The first requirement to do planning is to be able to plan, if you do not have this basic requirement then it does not matter how many seminars you still will be incapable of planning but limited to be a keyboard jockey. Today with the access to good college education a degree from an accredited institution should be the first requirement otherwise it would be like requiring a Nuclear Engineer to be certified as a Plumber. Are you are planning to ban the Nuclear Engineer unless he subdue to another such accreditations?

If I see too much emphasis on the accreditation I believe many of us will look elsewhere, leave the accreditation to where it belongs, to academia, don’t make it easy for the want to be Plumbers at the expense of the already trained in other professions.

Personally I oppose to the idea of another not needed "certification".

Best regards,
Rafael

Thanks Rafael.

I understand your thoughts and take note.

Regards

Matthew Edwards
PP Accreditation Manager