Oil gas planner

hi Joshi

I would like to suggest that you talk to your supervisor.
But I need to explain something WE all make decisions in our life’s. At one time you decided civil was for you. Why did you make this. What have change?. Also remember a 10 year experiance in civil is more salary than an trainee M&E.

In civil their is more opurtunity’s. but in Petro Chem it is different.

To give an example what is stress relieving. And how do you do it. And why.

Planning fundamentals are same in any field of planning, so one who have planning skill & experience could work in any field. Only thing in case of Oil /Gas, you need to know what are the basic things and what type of facilities required to produce & transport Oil/Gas, what are the Hazards, Risks and basic terminology of the Oil/Gas. I think civil planner can get entry in facilites construction in Oil and Gas.

I tend to disagree.

Planning fundamentals might be the same but Planning fundamentals only take care of the scheduling portion of being a planner. A true planner needs to have a technical experiance as well.

If wat you are saying is true then a person can just go and do a short course in planning and call himself a planner.

Remember Planning is About Planning & Scheduling.

Also if the planner involve in pipeline work, he must be able to read the line diagram, identify total number of joints, valves location, welding period (eg. 22~25 dia inch/hr), x-ray etc.

Regards.

Niraj, If you work in Offshore field you will get more pay and leave rotation, but you will fed up with your life finally. Oil and Gas field is tough as compared with others, there is no life(you can’t enjoy city life) in it. Cheers!!! Daya

Once we are talking about Planning Engineer we should assume that the person has minimum engineering degree (not only short term course) and more ever I was replying in case of 10 years experience Civil Planner. Who almost knows the required technical back ground of the projects.

Plz acknlowledge that OIL gas planners are the best pay master than civil construction although it is tough job.

Also it seems that this job is fit for LONELiness pepole who are totally stagnant

Anyhow can civil engineer enter into oil gas field, still require answer

Joshi,

If you are realy want to move to oil&gas field, try to join Plant Turnaround team. In Plant Turnaround they have Mechanical Planner, Machinery Planner, Electrical Planner and Instrument Planner. The planners will prepare job method sheets (JMS) that contains job description, manpower (manhour) & equipment information. As a scheduler you will use the JMS to develop the schedule for the contractors.

Once you gain the experience in Plant Turnaround you can move to project in oil&gas field.

Regards.

Your mentioned list of planner do not show Civil Planner which reflect that there is no need of Civil Planner in Oil Gas. Am I right?

If any place for Civil Planners, please mention

Strange

The Highiste Paid Planner is

1) Pharmaceuticals
2) Transportation
3) Construction



7) Oil & Gas

In my experience, the more trouble the job is in time wise, the more they are prepared to pay, regardless of discipline, for somebody to help them out of the quagmires, which they land themselves in the first place, by only looking at the financial side in the first place when selecting people.
I think what Bill has to say, especially where you are from, definitely plays a role in the ME. I have experienced this, and recruiters openly admit it. I also think you cannot generalise on rates prer discipline, as a lot of other factors play a role in projects, suchas risk, size of projects, and various other factors. Availability or non-availability of experienced people at the time can also affect rates.

Good Morning Bill

Are you a AACE Member. If not Why Not especialy since you are from the States.

They have something they call a salary survey this is compiled by a couple thousand persons (Annualy)in project controls discipline world wide.

After they have done the survey they publish a report.

This Report covers gives you the avarege etc by the following
Gender
Discipline
Country
Qaulifications
etc.

It is quit a good document to have access too. I use it primary for info. Well honest the first time I read it I wanted to see how my salry compared to the rest of the world.

And believe me I am stil underpaid & overworked.

Cheers

Oops before I forget if it is money we are intersted in what about Iraq.

Hi Jaco,

Maybe underpaid, but I see you are still very active here on PP.

Here everybody is looking for planners, had about 10 calls in the last week and a half, maybe time to come home.

Regards

Philip

Hi Bill
Strange this data is in the member only zone so how did you manage to see it?

Also remember what you see is the average and the variable so if you ad the two together it should give you a top end figure

Example a planner in Georgia

AVE = 83 std deviation is 30 k 34 people

Then when you go further you start looking at experiance etc

Hi Joshi,

In Plant Turnaround there is no civil planner. Usually they refer the P3/MSP planner as a scheduler.

Regards.

Hi Jaco/Bill,

Is it not possible that the AACE survey is a bit subjective in that it is carried out amongst it’s members?

Secondly, nobody has so far made any mention of multi-disciplinary planners, which there is a few of. Where do they fit in this picture? If you look at some of the PP members’ profiles, multi-disciplinary planners is a fairly prolific breed, however, that is not what I experience in the field.

Regards,

Philip

Hi

Philip

Maybe AACE survey is based on members only but 1 100 members (World wide) contributed to this survey. I say looking at the numbers it can not be that far out.

Maybe we should ask PP to something the same.

MD planners are as far as I am concern is few. I know approx 10 True Multi Discipline Planners.

Cheers

I think most of the Good Consultants and multi discipline EPC contractors are having good multidiscipline planner and so they are not less in numbers.

Hi

Yes ofcourse you can come as a petrochemical planner.
If you dont want to go on sites, then you can join an engineering company and plan & control the E/P part.

Thanks gupta you are one who give me true guidance

Joshi I did try like you for O&G and I have a similar background as you but never made it...till now

Any Takers ???

P.s. Trust my present employer is not a member in this forum


Cheers

Sunil

Joshi

Better to carry out your job in civil construction afterall u spent 10 years in this field so at this stage it is not viable to change job

Joshi,

The choice is yours. Best wishes for your future undertaking.

Regards.

Has this guy gone into the funeral business then????

One is an incomplete planner without Construction/Commissioning planning experience. This is especially true in Oil/Gas sector and working in EPC companies.
Working in E&P companies is really enjoyable not much at stake.
You prepare plans for Basic Engg, Design & Procuremnt. If the Contract is E&P, What is the completion date? i.e delivery dates right from Equipment bolts/ Equipments/Piping materials to Field Instrument.
Real challenge of planning in Oil/Gas sector lies in total Planning right from Concept to commissioning.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Regards
PS Dattatreya

DATTATREYA,

Well said, I like this sentence "Real challenge of planning in Oil/Gas sector lies in total Planning right from Concept to commissioning". I heard about decommissioning, bye the way
Do you have any experience in decommissioning?......

Cheers!!!

Daya

Dear Daya,
I would love to experience de-commissioning (playfully).
Actually, if someone can inform about the details of the following project, it would be worthwhile
" A Chemical Plant was transferred/shifted/shipped from the shores of Africa to India (not in one piece) and then replanted & commissioned".
I hope someone throws a light about this venture.

Cheers!
Dattatreya

A few projects around like this.
One in progress is on Cork (S.Ireland) harbour.
I beleive a fertiliser plant is being stripped, cut, shipped to Chile for reconstruction and commissioning.
Jacobs Engineering may have the contract.

Hello Joshi,

You, civil planner, can work in the oil/gas sector as long as you know the fundamentals of planning, generally in the Primavera P3 envionment. You also need to have an understanding of the process (a lot of process in the oil and gas due to corporate patents), piping, P&I D and commissioning sequence. If you will work with an EPIC contractor, then, you need to be conversant in the planning phase from Engineering, Procurement, Installation (Construction) and Commissioning. Sometimes you will also do shutdown planning and scheduling. You also have to take note of long lead items in your procurement schedule since most of the equipment will be manufactured in other countries, will be ship and will be installed at site.

You will be tempted to elaborate on the civil side to the planning. However, you will notice that the civil portion is minimal compared to the overall scope of work including the value of work. The bulk of the scheduling inputs will be in the mechanical, electrical, control and instrumentation and commissioning. You will start to hear new productivity jargon: dia inch, tonnes of stell pipes, etc. Also be prepared for the challenge since you will be dealing with diverse professional and specialist, mechanical, electrical, control and instrumentation, commissioning, etc.

Eventually, you will start to listen to your heart if you are really interested in this kind of environment. Also you will take a hard look of you career advancement.

Good luck and i wish you all the best in your decision

Hi Charjston,

Remind them of the safety aspects and the rest, I like your posts, some practicality there, or pragmatisism ( experience)

Bill I agree,

Some people have a lot of experience from a previous career in science / engineering and are executing a career x-over. They don’t have the experiential planning knowledge but are real keen to learn real quick and dedicate themselves to sucess. It’s amazing what a difference that makes.

Jim