Where are all the planners in London?

Where have all the london planners gone????

Maybe look under London bridge!!!

But definitely I found a lot of this breed here in the beautiful place called UAE for United Arab Emirates.

No tax, highest pay, less work, only clubbing and a lot of blah blah blah using native english tongue.

Better hire planners from third world countries and bring them to London.

Lobby your government for easy access in immigration or work permit.

I will be the first to fly in.

Cheers,

Charlie

What are the salaries in Dubai like? Is it all contract work?

I just think that people seem to be happy with their jobs here in the UK and don’t want to move on, but I do know that on the consultancy side, people are being employed with seriously low skill sets due to the low availability of planning candidates.

Alex,

I can only say U N B E L I E V A B L E.

This is only true for english planners.

I hope you know what I mean.

The best way is to allow planners from third world countries to work in LONDON.

This is only interim measures since LONDON is preparing for the Olympic in 2012.

Cheers,

Charlie

I don’t know why but when Alex said “people are being employed with seriously low skill sets due to the low availability of planning candidates” it made me think of Charlie…

Charlie… have you made any effort to come and work in the UK. If you are successful please can you let me know… that might be the start of a major exodus of UK planners.

I can’t comment on Charlie’s ability I’m afraid, always open to look at CVs though, I have enough clients that would show interest at any level.

Alex@ssaltd.com.

Money in Dubai is not as great as everyone makes out.
For people who are from the U.K, the wages here are not as good as the U.K.
But when you take not having to pay tax, no housing cost’s, council tax, cheap petrol, cheap car’s, cheap cigarettes, bloody hot weather, safe environment it becomes a bit better to swallow !!

Money should also get better out here as too many projects are coming on-line with no one to fill the jobs, they will have to increase the money if they are going to attract the people.
Prices in Dubai are not too far away from prices in the U.K. Rental’s are very expensive, Beer, electronics - it is not as cheap as everyone makes out. they are well aware that the Ex-pats have larger salary’s and they are cashing in.... don’t be fooled.
don’t get me wrong my money does go further than what it did in the U.K, but that is just down to not having to pay out on mortgage and all the tax which the U.K. imposes.
I have been here four months, I love it don’t get me wrong, but it is not cheap out here, but if you get the right package you can have a nice life.

Hi David, Please don’t put ideas into Charlie’s head, he’s got plenty of his own and has already said that if immigration and work permits were easy, he would be the first to fly in. The thing is I don’t think Charlie realises just how easy it is to get in if you are a skilled worker, the website Working in the UK tells you exactly what you need to do and how to do it. But then again I’m sure Charlie knows this already, after all its not a secret, is it? Perhaps instead of making disparaging remarks about the English, Charlie ought to come to the UK and show us all how it is done. I don’t think it will happen, though, Charlie is having too much fun in Dubai, or so it would seem. But until the day he does come and show us all how it is done, perhaps phrasing his opinions a little more tactfully might be in order. An old site foreman I once worked with put it very succinctly "put up or shut up!" Chris Oggham

Hello Chris,

I never dreamed of working as skilled worker.

This gave me inspiration to burned midnight candle to ensure I finished college "Bachelor of Science in CIVIL ENGINEERING. I DID!!!!!

The originator of the post is asking question Blah Blah Blah?????

And there are none.

But London needs planner for the 2012 Olympic.

The only way is to get planner in third world countries. And this will involve easing the "clearance entry" / visa / work permit for specific professionals "PLANNER".

The earlier the UK government will act on this issue will for the own good of UK and its citizen including you and David.

Why???? I will let you know somedday.

Now your government do not realize the importance of my thread. But someday, looking back, I will be correct.

Cheers,

Charlie

Hi Charlie, I think that you may have misunderstood what is meant by a skilled worker. What it means is someone having skills abilities or training that will be useful to the UK. Now I am quite happy to believe you if you can’t even dream of being a skilled worker, since it appears that you aren’t even capable of reading a simple post correctly. You quite obviously didn’t use the link, otherwise you would have seen just what is meant by a skilled worker and just how easy it is to enter the UK as a skilled worker. Instead you told us about your Bsc in Civil Engineering, well congratulations, mine is in Naval Architecture, mind you I did my post grad work in management ending up with an MBA, found it interesting and went on to do a PhD. The funny thing is though none of these bits of paper do a great deal to make me better at my job, for that I need the skills and experience I have developed throughout my working life. To deal with the point you made about easing the entry process for specific professionals such as planners, I’m not too sure that that would be legal under UK law. By easing the process for one group, you would be discriminating against other groups by not doing so; discrimination is something for which there is extensive legislation in the UK. One thing that puzzles me though is why you would think that UK government action in the way you describe is going to be for the good of the UK and its citizens. As for the UK government not realising the importance of your thread, Charlie, I’m sorry to have to break this to you, but your thread isn’t important. All that has happened is that you have, again, made some disparaging remarks about English people, been told to put up or shut up, tried to confuse the issue with you usual irrelevances and been pulled up short again. Important? Charlie it’s barely interesting. Chris Oggham

Now, now, children......!!!

Charlie,

I think you will find that one of the interview marking criteria to get a job in GREAT Britain is to be able to co-operate with other people from shop floor to director level, third world or royalty!

Being allowed in doesn’t guarantee you a job.

Haha!

Its true! Us english planners don’t know our CPI’s from our STI’s but we still get paid!

Hi all,

Just for information!!!

These days Indian Newspapers are full of requirement of Planning Engineers in UK. Big and Jumbo companies are now recruiting loads and loads of Indian Planning Engineers for metro rail projects and 2012 olympic stadiums.

Also most of the companies are now outsourcing the planning stuff with cameras being installed in UK sites and planning Engineers sitting in Indian cities.

These companies are now tapping, so now called as "Intellectual Capital" to fpcus on core competencies, to anticipate better future costs, to lower costs.

The most important aspect of accepting the outsourcing the Indian Planning Engineers, is the proven performance records and also with new colleges developing at par with best construction managemnet schools like NICMAR (National Institute of Construction Management And Research, Pune).

Companies like Belfour Beatty, Halcrow, Atkins are preferring Indian Planning Engineers than outsourcing from some other third country of the world.

Cheers,

Raviraj A Bhedase

Hi Chris and to all planners in London,

I got all the message.

Actually, I got the best job so no point really in going to London or UK. I’m just trying to put some idea.

The only thing that interest me in going to London or UK is to visit ancient castle, take a look of British royalty, anything something historical: origin of magna carta, robin hood, knights of the round table, etc., etc.

I’ll just work hard to save a lot of money for me to visit London or UK as a tourist.

See you someday guys and gals in London or UK.

Cheers,

Charlie

Oliver

That’s unfair - I know what a STD is.

David

Guys and Gals!

Oh no!

Charlie is the reincarnation of Jimmy Saville - it all makes so much sense now!

sometimes i get the feeling that for " foreign" companies as we say here, are not always motivated by productivity/wages ratio, at least here in my country, many of them prefer to hire some highly expensive expat for some Junior work, and they simply snob the local. ok we are not the best workers out there in the world, nevertheless we are not so bad,

Mimoune,

I don’t think that ’snobbery’ is the case.

A lot of time it is down to levels of speaking, literacy and security the company requires.

It is the same as me trying to get a job in a chinese speaking firm, they wouldn’t hire me because my mandarin is even worse than my planning.

Oliver

Just back from "Dubya". Its hot humid and full of hookers.
The "city" is at grid lock, the rental market high and I suspect the housing market is at saturation point.
Salaries look good on paper. and NO BEER/WINE served with food.
I thought it a tad Americanised.
Your life is in other peoples hands crossing Jumeria Beach Road.
Saying that enjoyed the owners Closure at the Races and there are some cracking dooking to be had.
The class division is very visible.
Yes there are worse places to work but there many better places to work.
Unless you get the full Dubai package or have a "bidie in" already set up there I would say cast your net elsewhere.

Gwen - what’s "dooking"?

James.

’bidie in’?

DORIC FOR THE INQUISITIVE PLANNERS (WELL DONE LOONS (BOYS))

"Dooking" is swimming. One goes dooking wearing ones dookers.
On the 31 October when we get off our broomsticks we go dooking for epples.

"Bidie in" is a Live in lover (can be either male of female) aka to bide is to live
Other useful phases utilising "bide"
Far div you bide? Where do you stay?
I canae min far I bide! Usually heard in Aberdeen taxi ranks after midnight.
I bide in Craigellachie or she bides near Bennachie usually catches the non spiker oot.

Gwen, I think you’ve REALLY confused the poor loons now, eh?

Now I ken what your on aboot!

Back to the original post, all the planners appear to be on the magic roundabout, with pay increases of 30% to 40% available for changing jobs and employers very reluctant to admit it, but ready to match an offer for good staff generally.
Staff churn must be up around 40% at the moment, I have contacts moving jobs every week.
Alex, you must be on a great commission now!

i just read this article in the inquirer http://uk.theinquirer.net/?article=40526
it is about "How US tech firms place job ads no-one will apply for"

take a look it is very funnig,

Hi All,

I just found this interesting topic TODAY I just want to contribute with few words, especially because I come from the famous Third Word that everybody mentioned.

First of all, not all the Third World is the same. Third world – South America is different from third world – Africa and third word – Asia and so on.

Once that you identify your part of the third world and you evaluate to bring planners from this place, I can recommend planners from Venezuela and specially with more than 15 years of experience. WHY, because this country during the seventies, eighties and nineties was involved in mega-projects in different field such as: oil, chemicals and steel. And also this country imported a lot of senior planners from America, Canada to lead the Venezuelan juniors planners at that moment.

I was one of these planners and now that I am in the first world, I looked backwards and realized that I had had excellent experience.

Cheers,
carmen

HI Carmen,

That a great idea.

But great idea is nothing if your president say no. "No ay di que"

Remember your president is starting to be despotic and start a quarel with Uncle Sam.

Definitely, Chavez needs all the planners he can muster to plan to start a fight with US of A. Good for you, you are now safe in your first world countries.

Cheers,

Joseph

Joseph,

I did not want to mention Chavez, But once You did it, I would like to update you with latest news.

In 2002 The Venezuelan Oil Company (PDVSA) went to 2 months strike. Being unsuccessful the purpose of the strike which was to make Chavez to step down of his JOB, He took the revenge in his way. He fired 18000 oil workers from all fields. These 18000 workers can not work in Venezuela because they are in Chavez’s black list.

Well not only planners can you import from Venezuela. Any skilled Oil worker who is in the black LIST, and another lists that he has.

The fight against US will be planned with all the Cubans, Iranians and executed with Russian armament. The Venezuelans are pacific people who enjoy working wherever the work is : first or second world.

Cheers,
carmen

with regards to the comment about commission, you’d be surprised actually, many of my clients will not entertain the daily rates being charged, let alone what we would need to add as a service charge on top. Regards.

Alex

Therefore they will not get the planners they want / need - this is the way of supply and demand. Or I suppose they will take on people who are prepared to work for the money on offer, which will be the unqualified or inexperienced ones. Reminds me of 1988, where projects were being built by totally underqualified people, because that was all that was available - only thing now is that with the Olympics and T1/T2 the likelihood of a crash like 1989 is much lower - therefore companies will have to pay the money!? The other possibility is that further increases in interest rates will stop the housing market dead in its tracks, which will free up some people.

Discuss.

Hi guys,

The post was deleted.

It was related to history

This is for the good of PP.

Cheers,

Joseph

Hi guys,

The post was deleted.

It was related to history

This is for the good of PP.

Cheers,

Joseph

I read the posting.
It was Charlie’s usual meaningless racist ranting.
Maybe he is observing self-censorship now (would be best if he thought before posting though) or maybe another complaint about his attitude.

David,
I agree with you david, that Charlie is not behaving healthy as professional guy, sorry for this coments. he thinks that he knows everything.. I CALL ALL PLANNERS TO KEEP AWAY THIS PERSON HAVING THIS KIND OF ATTITUDE. SOOORRRY...

Ulysses

Its not up to you to apologise for Charles,

He can do his own apologising to his own god when he passes on

Ulyses,

I do not follow your call about the path to follow against Charlie.

Charlie is the one who makes this SITE live with his comments. He is the one with answer to anyone. He is the one able to identify a woman and send the appropriate message to HER.

I am in this SITE just for reading Charlie’s answer.

Cheers

’He is the one with answer to anyone. He is the one able to identify a woman and send the appropriate message to HER.’

What does this mean?

Remind me never to subscribe to a thread again, I’m having to post this to get out of it!!

You love it Derek.

Its like a planning orientated Big Brother.

Oliver,

Pay attention who is writing on this site. ONLY men, I believe I am one out of the few reading and writing here.

I spend a lot of time reading your threads before giving any answer.

I can not go back to the threads where Charlie wrote words that I liked to read. May be, same words would have had no meaning for you.

Cheers

In the short time I have been a member Carmen and Gwen Blair are the only two women I have seen contributing. However there are others out there planning away, I know.

2 out of 19000 is quite a small percentage!

We would do well to listen to Carmen though, women are much more sensitive to words and the way they are used than men are. Charlie obviously has a fan club out there!

In order to boost the minority contributers, I have to stand with the boys on this one.

However, do a quick analysis and reckie the number of posts per person.
Quickly classify them into Informative/Entertaining/Witty/Boring/Merde/Racist/Funny/
Stupid/Soapboxer Hoggers

Its SO consistant.

James,

I didn’t say ’he was’ I said ’he talks’.

And it was the grammar, not the spelling.

Oliver

Oliver, check the spelling of "bigeted". Methinks it is "bigoted".

James,

Okay, my spelling is grim, but my point still stands!

Gwen,

I try to keep a ratio of 70/30 informative/soap box.

But sometimes stupid sneaks in there!

I think James goes for 30/70, informative/richard whitely

Oliver,

Agree with you about some threads making no sense. Do not forget that English is a second language for many PP members. I include myself in this group and sometimes I make a lot of mistakes.

For me, theme Charlie is over. I do not spend more time on it. It is a waste of time.

More important for me is to give my opinion about male communication. This opinion is the result of hundreds of meetings that I attended during all my years working in projects. Of course in those meeting the female attendace is less than 10%.

My opinion is as follow:

1.- The common courtesy is lost very easily and very soon. Always a moderator is needed.

2.- Sometimes the end of a technical discussion is more oriented to show who has the power and more important who takes decision.

3.- The art of denigrating the opponent is often used.

With regard my background, feel free to think whatever you consider appropriate.

Nice weekend TO ALL

Carmen,

I agree, some of the meetings I attend are power contests.

It seems a competitions to see who can delegate the most.

However, i find that this isn’t just apparent in the male majority.

I have found that a high percentile of females are skilled at denigrating people in meetings.
Maybe this is because a certain type of woman is compelled into one of ’mans last empires’? I’m not sure?

Now, now Oliver! I’m not quite sure if I should take that as an back-handed compliment.


James.

PS. Richard Whitely (howsoever one spells it) is dead.

excuse my ignorance, but how do you know that a name is for man or a woman, for me, i thought Carmen is a man