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Extensions of Time

Terry BarberMember for 19 years 2 months
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Extensions of time in relation to a Project Planner

Extensions of Time (EOT) can be a complex system to perform if you’re not aware of the logical steps to be taken. One of the main criteria is the contract conditions and you need to be fully aware of all the conditions before you attempt an EOT. Other documents to read carefully are the scope of works that you have undertaken to carry out along with any other specifications that are normally listed in the scope of works doc.
Next the programme that you have produced and I will assume that the client has accepted it as the “Accepted Programme” (Acceptance of the programme is part of the contract conditions that you have signed up to) Do not try to attempt in applying an EOT to any other programme other than the “Accepted Programme” you have been warned!. The time scale for applying for an EOT will again be in the contract conditions/specifications so don’t miss out on a time implication as the consequence could be time/financially disastrous.
I will assume that the programme has been produced by a professional programmer and that risk/float and all other things have been taken into account in producing a robust programme that will stand up to scrutiny when you insert the time delay. Do not mix up time with cost at this stage as time = cost, you can’t apply costs with out time in an EOT so concentrate on the time element first. The cost will come out when the QS gets hold of it, that’s his job not yours.
Now is the time to work out what time duration you are going to apply for. This involves collecting all the information in why an activity or activity’s were delayed, you should have all this info already as a good planner always does, but if not go over all the time delays and fully understand why the activity/s were delayed. The devil is always in the detail so investigate every detail you can so there are no pitfalls. This will make you understand your EOT claim so you can put forward a realistic EOT and be able to answer any question that the client will throw at you. Having confidence in yourself and being to answer any question will in most cases put the client on the back foot and help you in winning an EOT.
Things to remember are: who stopped you from doing something and could you have done something else to progress the activity. This is proactive management and tells the client that you are fully up for delivering the project on time. If you have tried to do this then the client can not come back to you and say why did you not do this that and the other so putting the time delay back onto you.
Before you present your EOT claim to the client, I would advise you practise your presentation within your own company and tweak where necessary. Playing devils advocate here could pay dividends in the long run as the claimant (that’s you) tends to be blinkered in believing that an EOT will be awarded and it’s only a mater of going through the actions (If only I had a penny for every person who thought that).
When you’ve done all of the above it’s time to present your presentation to the client.
The meeting attendees need to be the ones that can award an EOT, if they can’t award you an EOT your in the wrong meeting Doh!
Don’t forget the main person you are presenting to, they will in most cases not be a planner like yourself but the Client Project Manager. He or she may have EOT claim experience so don’t think it’s some dumb blonde you talking to.
This is far the most important time to impress the client on the “Principal” of your claim and explain how you have achieved an EOT. Your PM should have done this before the meeting under the “Contract Conditions” and should form part of your presentation. When this is done its over to the Planner to explain how the programme has been delayed and what impact it has caused. This is normally called the “Cause and Effect” and may result in a small program being produced to emphasise this. Try to keep it plain and simple if you can, then you don’t get lost in the detail. If you have to go in to detail with a complex claim, consider a planner from the client’s side attending indeed the PM might bring along a planner himself. Remember don’t start banging the table and demanding anything, if you start this anybody worth there salt will eject you from the meeting immediately. (keep cool and listen to what everybody is talking about) When you present your EOT to the client, try not to take any question until you have finished your presentation. This is your time so use it wisely to put over why the client should award you an EOT.
If you are awarded the full EOT that’s a result, more than likely another meeting will be scheduled so the client can go away and discuss internally the EOT claim.
Be careful with interim/final EOT awards and how the words in the award letter are put together especially in final awards letters as these could have contractual repercussions.
I will assume that you have been awarded an EOT and now have a new contractual finish date. It’s only now that the QS’s from both sides can really attempt to look at the “actual” costs associated with the EOT. Most look at the costs when they are going through the process of looking at time, is that’s right or wrong is up to the individuals persons concerned and should be a forecast cost until the EOT is awarded.
How you apply the EOT in the programme and programme out the remainder of the contract works is another story but you should be able to achieve programme approval from the client with the revised contract date.
I have not commented on things like acceleration and mitigation to name but a few. The more intricate details on how you achieve an EOT have also not been included in the above as there are so many variables. I would need to write a book to include the details and you would get bored in reading the 3 lines that were applicable to your situation anyway.

I hope the above has helped you understand but a few aspects of being a project planner as it takes some good years experience and training. Planners who are proactive in ensuring how a project can be delivered on time/within cost’s and safely are worth there weight in gold.

A few words of wisdom then:
There are 2 types of planner.
1. Somebody who’s the technical guy who is a software guru
2. Somebody who actively pursues and delivers the project on time.
Which one is correct?
Answer: Not 1 or 2 but a combination of both. That’s what makes a good Planner!

If you want to comment on the above please be positive, if not then don’t.
terry.barber@birse.co.uk

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    Hemanth Kumar ·
    Hi Terry

    Your are Great
    Iam a planner Master is P3/MSP slave to P5
    currently i am in the process of making a EOT claim
    i am dealing with a BIG German client for them PRIMAVERA
    is greek , we have an one page MS project plan from them as contract plan

    i was not in my company during contract agreement stage
    do you have similar experiance
    lately i devoloped a flair for Forensic planning, delay analysis etc

    can we share our expertises
    this is my mail ID
    hemanth.vineyard@gmail.com

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    Terry Barber ·
    Hemanth, you have not stated if the 1 page programme is for a large or small project. If large then I think you need to read the below comments.
    The programme needs to reflect what you are building and requires being in sufficient detail to measure the progress and any delays that may happen. A risk assessment should be undertaken on the project and that will highlight any missings within the programme so being able to assess any EOT should something do wrong. If you apply for an EOT and it is a detailed claim and the programme does not contain the details then the programme will be subject to interpretation by both sides and the EOT may fail at the first hurdle.
    The whole idea behind producing a robust programme is that it contains the scope of works and any contractual items as required by the client as this is what he wants. From the contractor’s side he will want a programme that if he is delayed then the programme will show any EOT. This means not having 3 million days float on activity’s if you get my meaning.
    Forensic planning/delay analysis is not for the fainted hearted as it is not only looking at a bit of software but how the delay occurred and contractual law to name a few.
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    Mike Testro ·
    Hi Terry

    The example analysis you have described is known as the "Impacted as Planned" method which is the weakest and least respected of the four recognised approaches.
    This is because it is completely theoretical and has no relation to what actually happened on site.

    You must try to take account of the "As Built" situation.

    Another factor is concurrent delays which generated a lively debate in this forum recently.

    By the way I am not a planner - I am a builder who can do the software.

    Best regards

    Mike Testro
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    Terry Barber ·
    The example is a general posting of good things to carry out and was not intended to represent a certain EOT method. I agree with you on the asbuilt method and prefer this method myself as you are dealing with actuals and not theoretical.
    You mention you’re a builder who can “do” the software? Your “Member Skills” leads me to believe different, what do you mean by your comment?
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    Mike Testro ·
    Hi Terry

    I have been building things for 45 years - starting with digging trenches and putting up walls. The best qualification I own is GCE Carpentry - not much CPD to keep that one.
    For the last 15 years I have been a self employed claims consultant staring with the money.
    I soon realised that I needed to get a grip on the time before I could work out the money.
    So I bought the software (PowerProject) and started to do EOT from scratch.
    After a while I called myself a delay analyst and put my rates up - I have not looked back.

    So that is what I mean when i say I am a builder who can do the software.

    Over the years the only buildings that I have not got to grips with are Nuclear - offshore - petrochem.

    In an interview with a shipbuilder who had a delay problem I said my experience with ships was the same as a long straight building that floats. I wasn’t hired.

    Best regards

    Mike T.
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    Hemanth Kumar ·
    Hi terry
    You are terrifying me
    The one page program was for 70m yacht interiors project
    the program was done by shipyard
    all of the susequented submitted programs were sidelined by the client
    and we my previous managers were not concerened about getting it approved,

    normally my project plans are 45 pages A3
    and i dont think i am sort of faint herted

    thank you mike , i think now You are great
  7. 0
    Terry Barber ·
    Hemanth, the whole idea of a project is to bring it on time and on budget. The plan/programme is a tool to help you achieve this. It will not bring it on time or on budget if you sit back and let time role on. You have to actively pursue and complete the activities within the programme.

    Is the programme a contractual requirement?
    Why did the client side line the programmes?

    I don’t understand why the programme was not approved maybe
    1. The programme was not correct and it was not acceptable?
    2. There are no cost constraints for the project?
    3. There is no time constraint in completing the project?
    4. The contract conditions?
    5. Your managers don’t know what they are doing?

    There are 2 types of planner.
    1. Somebody who’s the technical guy who is a software guru
    2. Somebody who actively pursues and delivers the project on time.
    Which one is correct?
    Answer: Not 1 or 2 but a combination of both. That’s what makes a good Planner!
  8. 0
    Hemanth Kumar ·
    Hi terry

    Iam not in to who is planner or who is not discussion
    as i have been paid generously for last 10 years for some sort of planning .

    I ve had chance to see plans of several Big companies in germany who are still at Excel plans

    Which reterates that europe is still in premature stage in profeessional planning

    I am working around and nearing to my goal of making a solid EOT documention to proceed with
    Thanks

    in my opinion a planner should know everything about his project
    and any software can be mastered in one month max if you have some grey matter
  9. 0
    Dieter Wambach ·
    But a few Europeans already know how to spell planning.
  10. 0
    Charleston-Joseph Orbe ·
    GERMANY DOING EXCEL PLANNING,

    I can’t believe the Germans

    They seems to be backward now

    Maybe they need another HITLER to do the tricks to regain their honor and rightful place as European power, not only ecnomic but also militarily.

    If ever this will happen again, the English should watch out, you know the previous century, tow world wars intigated by the Germans against the whole of Europe.

    Hi Hi

    I think this will not happen. The planning to make it a reality is unrealistic
  11. 0
    Dieter Wambach ·
    Charly
    May be you’ll consider first, then write or keep quiet.
    Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses.
  12. 0
    A D ·
    :-)

    If you had kept quiet, you would have remained a philosopher.
  13. 0
    Charleston-Joseph Orbe ·
    dieter

    Im just trying to be agent provocateur

    maybe some nationalistic germans will be encourage to join planning planet and will enrich our dicussion here.

    at least here in PP, no physical violence will ever happen not what we are hearing in the news, you know those

    it will also channel distructive energy into something

    and of course, we will know what they are really planning into

    if this will not help, then we will try another way
  14. 0
    Dieter Wambach ·
    Charly
    If you - and Hemanth - believe that in Germany Excel is standard for planning, that’s your problem. If you ask for another H. that’s absolutely not ok.
    Dieter
  15. 0
    Hemanth Kumar ·
    Hi Dieter

    I like germany , and easily provocatable germans
    Just google , or go to PEO site to see who uses what software

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